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johnmoxon wrote:how do we convince our employers that we should switch from HTML4 or XHTML to HTML5. ... ?
It's a nice theory but unfortunately we're not there yet. Search engines don't care about the new elements, as far as I know. Maybe they never will. You can only speculate at this point.johnmoxon wrote:I returned with: "we can build semantic machine readable content, with which we will be able to weight our content and give it more importance, and giving less importance to (a)side information that may otherwise dilute a page". I argued that very shortly this will allow search engines to be able to gain a greater understanding of our page contents value and therefore in time, semantically marked up HTML5 content will be promoted above non-HTML5 content in search engine results.
JAB Creations wrote:I generally recommend XHTML 1.1 though if you're looking for close to the best of both worlds I would recommend using XHTML5 served as application/xhtml+xml. It's exceptionally strict though that is the value inherent with XHTML, there are lot less mistakes you can effectively get away with and your code will be much cleaner. Use XHTML5 and instead of fixing HTML errors you can concentrate on expanding upon what you've already built.
JAB Creations wrote:I just wrote two good paragraphs and the forum software lost it when I accidentally hit a macro key. I'm just going to say this, my entire site is served as application/xhtml+xml and I wouldn't have it any other way. If XML parsing breaks I fix it on the spot and exceptionally few bugs make it to the live version of my site. XHTML5 makes perfect sense for businesses because broken products cost money.
Xdega wrote:Although fact still exists that your website could be enhanced with HTML5 elements such as canvas. Thinking along the lines of the background especially, imagine it a little more animated?
Kinda like this: http://www.go2script.com/items/style/14
So basically although XHTML is great for static pages, the media elements that Zcor was mentioning are still improvements and worth perusing HTML5 for that alone if you plan wish to develop rich multi-media applications.
Yep, but this happens anyway even if you're using HTML4.Amtiskaw wrote:Compatibility
HTML5 builds upon HTML4, clarifying many areas that were unclear or undocumented in the earlier spec. For example, it standardises the algorithms that browsers should implement, or appear to implement, when parsing HTML, and how they should behave if they encounter invalid mark-up. This means sites will work far more consistently across browsers, and will lower the cost of development and testing. In particular, it will make it far easier to make sites that work across new platforms like mobile devices and tablets.
Video is a new feature, so it's not a great example of what you wrote above. Also, HTML5 video today does not enjoy great compatibility (different codecs and implementation in mobile browsers still suck).Amtiskaw wrote:For example, if you want videos on your sites to work on the iPhone and iPad, you will need to use HTML5, as Flash is not supported.
Yep, good performance is good.Amtiskaw wrote:Better search engine rankings
Google have already stated that they measure site performance and will be increasingly using it to inform search-engine ranking.
It doesn't follow that using <nav> etc. will give you better search-engine rankings, or that it makes a difference at all.Amtiskaw wrote:Your superior's concern re. meta tags is understandable, but not well-founded. The problem with meta-tags is that they sit apart from the content of the document, thus making it easy to have metadata that is wildly unrepresentative of what the content really is. Using HTML5 elements such as <aside> or <nav> means putting semantic structure into the document body itself, but actual meaning is still derived from the content. For example, using meta tags, I could have a page selling prescription medication, but give it tags saying it is an article about fishing. With HTML5, I don't have that ability, all I can do is wrap sections of the content in elements that suggest which bits are the title, the article body, navigation, etc.
This isn't an infallible approach, and it is still open to abuses and gaming by the dishonest, but search engines employ many techniques and heuristics to weed out untrustworthy sites. For those they deem trustworthy, this semantic information can be used to index them more effectively.
It's not proof, it's speculation.Amtiskaw wrote:The fact that Google are one of the major forces behind the WHATWG and HTML5 (Ian Hickson, who edits the spec, is a Google employee), and used research on their own data to guide what new tags would be most useful, should be proof that search engines see value in the use of these semantic elements.
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