Accessiblity of embed

[legendscrolls]

I'm no fan of <embed> but having <embed> as a void element is not accessible.
HTML 5 should keep it as a normal element and some web browsers require a <noembed></noembed> child element to hide the alternate content when the plugin is successful.

(Insidently <img> should have been a normal element too with alternate content as element content rather than the restriction of an attribute but I know that can't be changed for compatibility and I know <object></object> provides a better way but it isn't the same.)

[JAB Creations]

Time to look up alternative content related to the object element.

[zcorpan]

embed can't be changed from being a void element, either, unfortunately.

[legendscrolls]

I've never seen <embed> used as a void element before, interesting.
Anyway, <noembed></noembed> should at least be added (as a sibling) to HTML 5 as even Firefox and Opera will show the alternative content with the successful plugin in the typical old ie-object-others-embed sample:

<object classid="clsid:..." ...>
<param ...>
<embed ...>
<span>Marketing Advertisement Video</span>
</object>

rather than:

<object classid="clsid:..." ...>
<param ...>
<embed ...>
<noembed><span>Marketing Advertisement Video</span></noembed>
</object>

At least for text/html documents.

[JAB Creations]

Alternative content works perfectly fine in at least IE6+ when tested on my site. Uninstall the Flash plugin and test the music player in example. You'll see the ALT image/anchor content. I've never seen any actual need for the embed element. Maybe you're thinking Netscape 4?

[zcorpan]

<noembed> only works when plusings are disabled altogether in the browser, not when a particular plugin has failed to load on the page. So, if you want fallback for plugin content, use just <object>.